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\"unknown<\/a>

unknown woman, 1605-1625 (image source: V&A Museum)<\/p><\/div>\n

This doublet that’s been giving me such problems isn’t what it seems to be. I’ve had images in my head, but I’ve been using a pattern (well, an idea of a pattern from PoF3, the 1580s doublet) that’s based in the wrong time period. Doh! The neckline and sleeves I’ve been fantasizing about are all about 30-40 years later than the base I started with.<\/p>\n

It’s not a 1580s doublet. It’s meant to be a 1610s bodice\/jacket, rather like this<\/a>, tho’ you can’t see much of it and the V&A debates what’s really going on in the portrait. However, let’s not trust what the website description says because that could well be incorrect, even by people who work at the V&A. See: March 2009 trip and investigation into a certain “Mary Queen of Scots” portrait that was painted over in the 19th century — no info about that on the website, but the paintings expert I talked to gladly pulled the file and showed me the 1930s and 1970s X-rays to prove it.<\/p>\n

\"Elizabeth<\/a>

Elizabeth Vernon, 1618 (image source: Wikimedia Commons)<\/p><\/div>\n

Anyway. This miniature on the right has the neckline, sleeves, and center-front opening I wanted. Likewise, this 1618 portrait<\/a> (on the left) elaborates on the hanging sleeves I was imagining, plus the trim designs. This 1619 gown<\/a> has similar lines, just look past the slightly gawd-awful fabric choice (hi, I’m wearing a sofa!).<\/p>\n

Yeah, yeah, I’m pushing the envelope of the SCA period. But man, I love these shapes! Gotta have ’em.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

This doublet that’s been giving me such problems isn’t what it seems to be. I’ve had images in my head, but I’ve been using a pattern (well, an idea of a pattern from PoF3, the 1580s doublet) that’s based in the wrong time period. Doh! The neckline and sleeves I’ve been fantasizing about are all<\/p>\n

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